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Edited, Schmedited – Thoughts on Movies

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Movies “edited for content” have been around in some form or another for as long as I have. New services come and go, usually shut down by Hollywood attorneys who hilariously and hypocritically claim that editing a movie destroys the “director’s vision,” or some other tripe. (Apparently editing a movie for TV or an airplane has no impact on the lofty vision of the director.)

We have used a lot of different methods to clean up our entertainment. We have used TV Guardian, and we have rented or purchased DVDs that are edited. The latest service that has come down the pike, VidAngel, “sells” you your own copy of the movie, streams an edited version to you, then buys it back. Sneaky, but it had avoided lawsuits – until this month. (In Jan 2017 the Courts shut them down but they are still fighting.)

We signed up of that service a little while ago, but I haven’t used it yet. I’m sure that it works, but it worries me because I am a huge movie fan. I love movies – maybe a little more than I should. Yet my love of movies often conflicts with the standards I try and maintain. I have written enough about that before, (here, here, here and here.) and don’t want to revisit it here. Suffice it to say, I have yet to see anyone successfully justify how any R-rated movie meets the LDS standard of avoiding profanity, nudity or violence. (Everyone has their own opinions here – not trying to be self-righteous – just righteous.)

Enter edited movies. Now we can watch what we normally shouldn’t be watching – which opens up a lot of R-rated and PG13, and even PG movies that would have previously been rejected.

But I think there should be more to it that just picking a movie and letting it roll. Here are two quick examples:

When the King’s Speech came out a few years ago, I was bummed that it was rated R because of lot of profanity – so I didn’t go see it. Fortunately, a few months later, they re-released it as a PG-13 movie and stripped a ton of the profanity out.  It was a “Good” movie, and I’m glad I saw it.

Back in my BYU days, the on-campus Varsity Theater would show edited versions of popular movies. I specifically recall a Peter Sellars movie entitled “Being There” was shown on campus. They had chopped out some sex stuff and some profanity. But, at the end of the movie, the mindless protagonists walks on the water in an obvious reference to Christ. I immediately felt gross. There was some outcry amongst the Christian community at the time that the movie’s atheistic intention was to make a mockery of the story Jesus – and that is what I felt when I was sitting there – in the BYU theater!  It was like they edit the movie, but never actually watched it.  I have never forgotten that experience, and it made an impact on me. Removing the profanity and sex from that movie did not make it a “Good” movie.

Which brings me to my concerns about edited movies and TV shows:

1. Removing BAD stuff from a movie or program does not necessarily make that movie or program GOOD. And by good, I’ll go with Joseph Smith’s version of “Good.” “If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.” Joseph Smith. Maybe a better choice of word would be “worthy,” as in “praiseworthy.”

 

For example: You can take all the bad words out of “The Hangover” trilogy, and you are still not left with a “worthy” movie. Same with “Fight Club” or “The Walking Dead.” Sure, you can clean them up…  It reminds me of an old MormonAd:

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Nobody wants to eat the ice cream with the cockroach in it. But nowadays, with technology, we can actually remove the cockroach bits and pieces from the ice cream.  Would you eat it now?

My personal concern (And I mean the concern that I have for me) is that if I watch a lot of movies in an edited version that I wouldn’t watch in their original version, I’ll allow myself to become less selective and flip off the discernment switch in choosing my entertainment – finding security in, “Hey – it’s edited.”

A perfect example of this would be last years Oscar winner, “Mad Max: Fury Road.”  I watched an edited version. It was a good movie, but to was surely not a “worthy” movie by any stretch of the imagination.

This would be especially dangerous if you have kids – it would be easy to fall into the habit of letting them watch whatever – as long as it is edited. I worry about placing too much faith in editing for cuss words and naked bodies, with no ability to edit for the messages and meanings contained in the movie.

2. The economics of edited movies send the wrong message.

If I “pseudo-purchase” a streaming movie, or buy an edited R-rated DVD, I am sending my dollars and approval to the studios that made it. My message to them? Please make more – I like this stuff.  It reminds me of the old story of a church leader talking to a store owner and asking him if he would consider closing on Sunday – the shopkeeper replied, “If your people didn’t shop in Sunday, I probably would.”

3. The Blurring of Lines

We all know that the movie and TV rating systems are seriously flawed to the point of being ridiculous – but they are flawed in the direction of being inadequate, not ignorable. Worse yet, they are determined by people whose standards are far out of kilter with us as members of the Church. It would be foolish to trust a PG-13 rating for our 13 year-olds. Ratings standards have declined drastically over the last decade – should ours?

With all of the streaming services like NetFlix and Hulu, the choices for content are unlimited – but somehow the standards keep declining.  (I got to the third episode of “House of Cards” before I disappointedly bailed on it.)

Edited movies somehow give us permission to take a quick peak into to Babylon without ever really going there. I know because I have watched movies that I would have never considered watching – just because they were edited.

But in defense of edited movies… I remember seeing Titanic in the theater while seated next to my Father-in-law, who had just been called as a new Stake Patriarch.  Let’s just say that Kate Winslet looked more comfortable than I felt. However, I would gladly watch an edited Titanic with my kids. There is always the “Jesus Test:” Would you watch it with Jesus?  Which is a pretty high standard. (Personally, I would just hand Him the remote and cower.)

I also remembering talking up “Back to the Future,” then turning it off part-way through because I had forgotten how much profanity was in it.  An edited version would serve us well. (Just last month we plopped the kids down to watch “Raising Arizona.” (We didn’t even make it to the diaper theft.) My memory seems to naturally diminish the things that I shouldn’t be watching over the years, and I find myself making terrible recommendations.

 

So, those are my concerns. The wicked world is getting more wicked, and finding better and sneakier ways of getting into our home. As a movie lover, edited movies seem like the answer to my prayers, but in reality, they can be wolves in sheep’s clothing – even if every bad word, brutal death, or naked body is removed.

Be careful out there – use the discernment we are promised through the Holy Ghost, and never fall for the falsehood that there are no worthiness standards that we should apply to our entertainment. There are.

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  1. when you use edited films and turn on *closed caption* {for we of not great hearing} HUGE OOOPPPSSS … the words are shown on cc …. not such a great idea … we have a clearplay video player, had the grandkids over, turned on the vid and cc and ……. heeeellllloooo!!!! SURPRISE … the words were right there …. learned on that one … best to stay away from films we can edit or have been edited …

    i love this old saying, *just because you can, doesn’t mean you should* …..

    my .02 cents …. thanks for the forum; i love your posts and responses …

  2. GREAT post. I LOVE VidAngel with all my heart, but you just said in your blog post what I have been trying to avoid admitting in my mind.

    After watching several edited R and PG-13 movies, I’ve come to terms that I STILL need to NOT watch certain movies. For example, the edited versions of Good Will Hunting and The Outsiders were pure perfection, but edited movies like American Beauty and Cloverfield were still unworthy and certainly not uplifting. One tool to use to determine if you should watch a movie is VidAngel’s “Inspiring” rating (found below the rating of each movie). In fact, I actually didn’t plan this but I just looked at the Inspiring rating of the 4 movies I mentioned and both American Beauty and Cloverfield are under 50 and Good Will Hunting and The Outsiders are over 75.

    However, I am still a huge editing/VidAngel supporter as long as it is used responsibly. This reminds me of one thing that I strongly believe we all need to be more sensitive of: taking the Lord’s name in vain. Saying “oh my g*d” is so condoned because almost everyone does it–even more people than use swear words. However, when you think about it, taking His name in vain is infinitely worse than saying a word which our own language and society has deemed bad (swear words), because taking the Lord’s name in vain is bad in any language.

    Anyway, what I am getting at is that my friends call me crazy for editing PG-13 movies, but I still choose to use VidAngel to edit even PG movies if they take the Lord’s name in vain because it is that easy. Additionally, I even edit out “d*mn” and “h*ll” on VidAngel (which I used to never edit out) because I realized that they were having an effect on me–I would resort to mentally or even verbally saying “d*mn” instead of “dang” or “h*ll” instead of heck, which might not seem like that big of a deal, but do you think Jesus would say “d*mn” an “h*ll”? But that’s why I love VidAngel.

  3. My measuring stick is, if it’s offensive to the spirit of a child, I don’t want to watch it. That doesn’t mean I haven’t watched some things that I wouldn’t want my grandchildren to see all the time, but that’s my stick. If you haven’t discovered them yet, not only are you a bit behind, but well worth the search to buy the ‘Liken the Scriptures’ series…yes, for kids, but not really. The whole family loves them. There are 9 now, we have them all, and just had a marathon yesterday. And you can find them at http://www.likenthescriptures.com. Then there’s other LDS flicks, but don’t miss out on the wonderful movies produced by other Christians like ‘Facing the Giants,’ and 100s of others, those sold by Feature Films for Families and more. There’s plenty of good stuff out there. If you want more life-like drama, watch the local news.

    1. Thanks for the tips! (Funny to be called “a bit behind” by someone who is commenting on a post that is almost a month old.)

  4. By the way, if any of you do try MovieCleaner, would you mind sending me some feedback – what did you like, and perhaps more importantly, what didn’t you like about it. (you can email me at “jmo at movie hyphen cleaner dot com” (I spelled it out to avoid any email harvesting robots that might be crawling the web)

    Thanks!

  5. There is another ‘filtering option’ now, named MovieCleaner (https://movie-cleaner.com). It works for Netflix and Amazon to filter out bad language. It’s similar in approach to TVGaurdian (if any of you remember that product) in that it scans the closed caption file to know when to mute the volume.

    Soon it will support filter files that can more precisely mute out the bad language as well as ‘visually muting’ (black out the screen or fast forward) for bad visual content.

    (Full disclosure, I wrote the code for MovieCleaner so this is a bit of a ‘shameless plug’, but I okayed it with MMM first. 😉 )

  6. One thing to consider is that you might be talking about movies you’ve seen to people who know you are a Mormon and they might think, “Sheesh, what a hypocrite! I thought he/she was a Christian and didn’t watch that kind of stuff.” If you haven’t explained that it was edited you might find yourself being a poor example.

    The other thing I think we have to consider is that when choosing edited movies, you are essentially paying someone else to watch the filth, so they can filter it out for you. Personally that makes me feel funny. Sure, it probably has to be done only once, but still…

    I think you made good points here. Are these movies really worth it? Definitely something to consider carefully.

    1. @Holly: Your first point is actually the reason why my wife hasn’t let out kids watch edited PG-13 (or higher) movies. She also doesn’t want them going to someone else’s house and thinking they’re OK with a movie they think they’ve already seen.

      On the 2nd point, VidAngel uses crowd-sourced filters, and they have a clearly stated policy that says they don’t want you editing a movie that you wouldn’t watch unedited anyway. So people aren’t being paid to make the filters, and (supposedly) they don’t feel the movie goes against their personal standards.

  7. Lynette, my EC, reminded me as I read this to her that she had “edited” “Land Before Time” by getting rid of our VHS tape of it (no profanity there) because our youngest, Sarah, was turning into that bratty littlest “Sarah” dinosaur.

  8. I have been receiving many recommendations lately of things to now watch because you can get them edited through vidangel. But I have this “icky” feeling thinking about watching them, so I have avoided it. Thanks for putting that icky feeling into words for me, this makes so much sense. (Another point against watching edited, is that watching a movie or show edited and getting into it might make it so much easier to slip into watching it unedited in the future, like if the edited isn’t available anymore or the newest season isn’t available edited yet and it’s just one of your favorite shows etc.)

  9. Before they shut down VidAngel, make sure you see About Time. I’ve only seen it edited, so I’m not entirely sure what got cut, but edited it is one of the best movies ever– it is a Good Movie!!! (Watch it with your kids, once you’ve seen it and approved it!)

    1. Alanna I so agree! About time is one of my all time favorite movies! And the message is priceless! I even have a few of the best quotes in my journal! I also don’t know what was edited out but what is left is a gem!

  10. I hope VidAngel comes thru OK- we love the convenience and the price, even if it’s something that doesn’t need editing! There’ve only been a couple of times when (on the after-movie survey) I’ve said that I watched something edited that I wouldn’t otherwise watch, but we were still sorry we did (even though they were “only” PG-13).
    I’m glad I found out how to set the filters for each movie after the first few, though…I wanted to show my kids “Home Alone” but my global filters cut out not only the profanity (yay!), but also all the things that happened to Marv and Larry as they tried to get into the house (boo- my kids were so confused- how did he get an M on his hand?)

  11. My daughter came home from BYU recommending two movies. We rented them from Blockbuster. She was shocked!!! Waking Ned Devine and Room With A View. The movies weren’t bad, just a little bit of noodididity. LOL

  12. After having a couple or more of those experiences (see “The Sandlot”, You’ve Got Mail”, “Firefly”), I have become convinced that the Adversary has a special department dedicated cuss words and suggestive scenes into movies and tv shows between the time you first watch them and when you recommend them to a church friend or sit down with the kids to watch them. I imagine Screwtape as the Section Chief. I can’t believe it is just matter of being forgetful. I will say being more selective about media has been a tremendous blessing, and Nephi’s promise that as we live faithfully we will lose even the desire to behave righteously at least holds true for media (I am sure i. Don’t miss any of the trash I don’t see or hear anymore

  13. In defense of Being There, the main character is “simple minded” and lives his whole life isolated from the outside world. Everything he knows, he learned from watching TV (a small, black and white picture). I don’t think the walking on water thing was to imply that he was as Christ, but to show that in his innocence, he was simply unaware of his limitations. This is what a gained from the book as well.

    1. Thanks for your comment. At the time I read where the director was making the implication that Christ was “nobody special” and that he was merely a product of his times, and his message was embraced because of its simplicity. I didn’t read the book, but my understanding is that the walking on water scene was added to the movie. Dunno.

  14. This was a good reminder. I do love that editing companies have broadened their options for editing, like with our clear play we can edit special things like blasphemy, “mushiness” haha!, dishonoring the flag, and you can set a level on that thing specifically – really mindful things! I do like the point about teaching our kids not to rely on these editing things because it’s been around their whole life.

  15. Just a comment about the movie “Being There”. The movie has more to do with the concept of “Dasein” (literally translated as “being there”) as expressed by the German philosopher Martin Heidegger. The final scene is not necessarily an “obvious reference to Christ”. Given the influence of Heidegger on the original book there are several other interpretations of the final scene.

    1. Interesting. However, to the vast majority of us who aren’t familiar with the concept of “Dasein,” or Heidegger, the act of walking on water is immediately symbolic of two people: Jesus and Peter. It is very possible that my interpretation was born out of ignorance, but what I felt when I saw it was very real.

      1. I think the original story, written in Polish, was more about being a biting critique of the ridiculous practices of the political class. The later American novel, and then the movie, relied more heavily on Heidegger, which BTW I don’t know how much of an improvement the addition of existential philosophy was to the story. I don’t think I would like the movie any better now that I have read Heidegger, but when I watched it in high school I thought it was kind of like a less funny, less inspired, Gulliver’s Travels (biting social commentary).

        The edited version makes it watchable, but that doesn’t really make it uplifting.

  16. There are VERY FEW good movies to watch these days. Thanks for all your thoughts!

  17. After moving to Asia eight years ago, our family opted not to watch television. We also greatly limited the movies we watched. At one point, we decided to edit our DVD collection as to what we thought might “survive the millennial burning.” Even though we didn’t have any R rated movies, our collection dropped by about half. What we have found is that if we fill our lives with things that are truly beautiful and praise-worthy, that is what we desire, all the time.

  18. As a fan of VidAngel (and previously CleanFlix), I completely agree with your take on the edited movie itself – some aren’t worth our time edited or not – and others are “worthy” movies once the crap’s been removed. I am glad there’s an option to choose a movie to watch with the kids (Ghostbusters & Top Gun come to mind) that takes out the previously forgotten crap without a finger on the fast forward button or a hand conveniently positioned to cover tender eyes.

    That being said, you make a good point about relaxing our standards. Thanks for giving me a nudge to carefully consider our choices.

  19. I just was required to take a class of film. The teacher warned us he’d let us know if there was anything we might be uncomfortable with. The class’s name would have been much more appropriately named “Full immersion into foreign porn.” I found reading about critic’s commentaries on the movies to be preferable to viewing the movies. I realized that I personally was willing to take a poor grade in favor of viewing such filth. My best friend wasn’t convinced one semester could do much harm. He’s struggling now violently with what was once a conquered porn addiction. I passed the class, as did he. But do not struggle with the imagery he viewed. My mom once told me something that stuck with me. She said, “you know, I’ve never really missed out on something essential to my eternal goals by not watching a movie, but I have by seeing one I didn’t need to.”

  20. I think this is a very important message, and this is an issue I struggle with from time to time (my antidote: keep so insanely busy with other things that I have no time for tv or movies – usually it works).

    One angle I would very much appreciate your take on is the question of movies, such as Schindler’s List, which are rated R, and in which the brutality and dehumanization of holocaust victims is part of an important message. Could the same message be told without showing the degree of humiliation and violence those people endured? Possibly, but probably with much less emotional impact. The visual medium has a power to communicate unlike just about any other (only surpassed by the Holy Ghost, in my opinion). That film, seen as a young adult, brought the impact of what those victims experienced home to me unlike anything before or since.

    I guess the basis of my question is: in movies, is all violence or nudity created equal? Or are some instances more “worthy” than others? Yes, I think, but it is a very dangerous and slippery slope to begin on. I would appreciate hearing your views.

    1. I think Schindler’s list is an important, and good example. The edited version tones it down without diluting the message. And it is an important message. So, in that case, I see edited movies as a blessing.

  21. I love love love vidangel! What I like most is that I can watch stuff with my kids and not have to worry. We have mostly watched edited movies that we would watch anyway, but without the language and smut. (Think Star Wars, Indiana Jones, and other fairly good shows). I appreciate people who try to make this world a little more virtuous, lovely or of good report.

  22. Great post, as usual. I’ve always felt the same way about your second point, especially. Whether or not a movie’s been edited, filmmakers will see that we’ve bought it, and they’ll make more like it because that’s what they think we want. I personally prefer to steer clear of even edited movies for that reason, and elect to let my money speak for films that are clean and family-friendly to begin with.

    I hadn’t considered your first and third points much before, so they’ve given me something to think about. Thanks for sharing!

  23. My wife and I have both had the experience of remembering a movie fondly, then being surprised at the language when we try to watch it with our kids. I’ve found a couple of websites that I now use as reference before picking movies: http://www.kids-in-mind.com/ breaks down their ratings by sexual content, violence, and profanity, with some detailed statistics about what sorts of each are present. https://www.commonsensemedia.org/ is my backup for movies, but it also has ratings for games, books, and tv shows. Having these sorts of things catalogued makes my job as a parent a bit easier.

  24. The nice thing about VidAngel is that you get to choose (before watching) what is edited out. There is a list of scenes/words/descriptions that you get to pick and choose from. So the particular movie you mentioned with someone imitating Jesus would (hopefully – if not, you could probably request it) give you the option to skip that part. They even edited the Star Wars movies so you could filter out Jar Jar Binks!

    The lawsuit this time around appears to be because they’re copying DVDs and Blurays to make digital versions. Technically you own the DVD or Bluray (until you sell it back), but because they have to break the encryption to make the digital version, it is technically illegal.

  25. As a very seldom “movie theater goer”, I rely a lot on NetFlex and other sources and I am still abandoning movies and tv series because of content. The same is true for the books that are being published. I think there are too many bad scripts and books that use vulgarity, sex, and violence as an excuse for not producing a good story.

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